Conversation of 26.3.1996 with Nils Rettersdøl:-

F. Yes, hello, good morning, is Mr. Nils Rettersdøl at home?
Answer Yes, just a moment.
F. Thank you.
NR. Er Rettersdøl.
F. Good morning.
NR. Morning.
F. Hi, I hope you speak some English - you do? Good. My name's Frederick xxx ... I'm the chap in England that you did a newspaper article on concerning Heidi Schøne.
NR. Concerning?
F. Heidi Schøne. … You are the psychiatrist aren't you?
NR. Yes.
F. That's right, I mean you did an article on erotic paranoia, d'you remember?
NR. No, I'm not quite sure.
F. Well I've got your photograph in the newspaper.
NR. Yes, but I don't think I wrote an article. It must have been some sort of interview or something.
F. Yeah but you must have read it.
NR. Yeah.
F. Yeah. It's just that … um I was rather … … this is … what they've written in the newspapers is… it's all rubbish. I just wanted to tell you the truth of the matter. Now, did the newspapers show you those reports that I was sending to her neighbours, did they show you that?
NR. Er, no. I think I have been busy … it was just a short interview or something.
F. Yeah, well the thing is this, they have used you in a most despicable way because this girl has been in a psychiatric unit herself in Lier and before I met her she'd had two abortions, she tried to kill herself twice and the reason I went to Norway in 1990 and got arrested is because I wanted to confront her because she had been sleeping with a boy who had been injecting heroin, OK? And I had slept with her myself once … only to discover that … and she didn't tell me that she was sleeping with someone else and he was taking heroin … but I went there to Norway to confront her about the heroin aspect and I was sitting in her sister's flat upstairs and the police came to arrest me. Now she has told them that I wanted to kidnap her son, and I'm reading in the newspapers … I've just had them translated yesterday and I see she said that I've threatened to kill her son, that I've threatened to kill her, her family, that I've sent 400 obscene letters … I've done none of this at all … I have not sent one obscene letter … I'm a lawyer and I would never expose myself to this shame and in fact the newspapers have said that she has destroyed all these letters [400 obscene ones]. Now I've kept some of her early letters and I've sent them all to the newspapers, together with a long report and they've printed nothing and I've spoken to the policeman in Mjøndalen and he understands my position and he's going to … [and I continued with the other disturbing aspects of Heidi's life]. I thought that you were interviewed and given all the information?
NR. No, no. It has just been some general remarks. I think on the …
F. I thought so because initially I was extre…['extremely' I was going to say]
NR. Nothing else - I didn't know anything about the case.
F. She's pictured in the newspaper reading a book on Aids. Now this book … she became a Christian [and I explained about the speaking in tongues of Runar Schøne on the phone to me].
NR. Are you in England now?
F. Yes, I'm in England. I'm at home now, but I've got to do something about this … I'm planning something, I don't know what … but this is just 180o off the truth [and I proceeded to tell the whole background of Heidi as already described and justified my writing so many postcards and letters to Heidi questioning her actions]. Do you understand my motives?
NR. Yes, yes.
F. When I read this about erotic paranoia, I just couldn't believe it, because I pride myself on being as decent as I can [be]… what the newspapers have said is so shameful, I just wanted you to understand this.
NR. Yes, yes, yes. But you can be sure that I didn't know anything about the case … the comment from an interview … but generally, quite generally …
F. That's right; I though so because I couldn't believe that you would basically put your reputation on the line.
NR. No, no.
F. They didn't even interview her psychiatrist called Dr. Broch.
NR. In Lier?
F. That's right; they didn't interview him … and the newspapers… I said "Could you please print my side of the story," and they've done nothing.
NR. Well that's quite ordinary for a newspaper.
F. But it just seems so far from the truth that …
NR. Yes, they write it from their angle you know.
F. Mmm - Sex sells. Well OK sir, I'm very grateful for you listening to me and I just can rest easy now that you know my side of the story.
NR. Completely.
F. Right, thank you very much.
NR. Yes, all the best.
F. Bye bye.
NR. Goodbye.

Conversation No 2 with Nils Rettersdøl in April 1996:-

F. Yes, hi, good morning. Is that Mr. Rettersdøl?
NR. Yes.
F. Yes, Hi. It's Frederick xxx here.
NR. Yes, yes.
F. I'm sorry to trouble you at home again, but did you get my material?
NR. All your papers, yes.
F. Have you managed to read through it?
NR. Yes, yes.
F. I don't want to put words into your mouth but have you changed your … or got an understanding of my motives?
NR. Yes, well I have not had any special opinion about it before you know … because what I said was on a very general level without knowing anything about your case actually.
F. Why can you without knowing about me, why can you … … make these … I know they were general statements but why …… …
NR. I have made no statements about you.
F. What did they actually say to you then, the newspapers?
NR. Just asked about these … a general … …
F. What scenario did they put to you? What was the picture that they gave you? About me.
NR. I don't think they gave me very much picture about you actually because I told them I couldn't say anything about your case. It was more to answer on a general level.
F. They must have said, you know he's um …
NR. No, I think it stands there also that you, that some doctors in Bergen had had the opinion that you had such a … erotic paranoia or something like that.
F. Yeah, well do you think that having read the stuff that I've sent you that I'm suffering from … … [erotic paranoia]
NR. No I don't think so according to what you have written.
F. Yeah. It's just that obviously I know you probably have seen a lot of patients and you have to deal with them smartly and kindly but I honestly wanted to … …you know, because it was such a shock to read all this about attempting to kill everybody….
NR. Yes, yes, yes … all newspapers are always … at least some of them are … …
F. Well it was all of them this time wasn't it? It was the three biggest newspapers … …
NR. Verdens Gang, that is a … sort … like Daily Mirror.
F. But Bergens Tidende …
NR. Yes, that is a rather serious one.
F. They wrote a lot about how bad Muslims are and about a Muslim suffering from erotic paranoia and that bearing in mind what Heidi … the number of affairs she's had … it's rather hypocritical of the press to write that and you know it could have … if the Sun newspaper had got hold of that … then God knows what I've had to … go to the moon or something and they still can … they still might get hold of this stuff and for your information Heidi has not spoken to the police once - she refuses to go and see them. I don't suppose you're going to ring the newspapers and tell them off are you?
NR. No, I don't think … this is rather an old history isn't it?
F. Well, yeah, but it's still … …
NR. I think the best for you would just be to drop it.
F. To drop it?
NR. Yeah.
F. It still hurts … it hurts very much.
NR. It hurts but I think it hurts more to take all this … and go through it all … every thing … it's very hurting I think.
F. Do you think she is just a wicked girl or is she suffering from something?
NR. Well that's difficult for me to say.
F. Yeah.
NR. I think you'd be best in dropping it actually because it makes always a lot of trouble if you start up again such a case.
F. Forgetting about it would …
NR. That's of course impossible.
F. Forgetting about it is … particularly as she could have ruined me by those allegations … … is a bit much. That's why people go to court to prosecute people for perverting the course of justice. It's something that's hard to accept and I felt she had to be taught a lesson. I know she's learnt some kind of lesson because all her neighbours know about her past … through those letters I sent. Well OK I'll leave it at that and thanks for talking to me anyway.
NR. I wish you every happiness.
F. Thank you very much indeed, thank you.
NR. Bye bye.
F. Bye bye.